I’m really happy that Microsoft employees are blogging more. Though I miss Robert Scoble. Microsoft really lost a lot of public relations points when Scoble left. Today, I came across a post by Raymond Chen, one of the great Microsoft guys that keeps new versions of Windows compatible with older applications. Truly, compatibility is a heroic task, one that most programmers don’t want to deal with. However in recent discussions on Windows blindly overwriting the master boot record (and in the process screwing everyone with alternate operating systems), he says:
In the discussions following why Windows setup lays down a new boot sector, some commenters suggested that Windows setup could detect the presence of a non-Windows partition as a sign that the machine onto which the operating system is being installed belongs to a geek. In that way, the typical consumer would be spared from having to deal with a confusing geeky dialog box that they don’t know how to answer.
The problem with this plan is that not everybody with a non-Windows partition type is necessarily a geek. Many OEM machines ship with a hard drive split into two partitions, one formatted for Windows and the second a small non-Windows partition to be used during system diagnostics and recovery. The presence of this small non-Windows partition is typically not well-known, and it comes into play only when you boot from the manufacturer’s “system recovery CD”.
I would challenge Raymend Chen to install Linux, because this problem isn’t difficult to solve and has been solved by every major Linux distribution years ago. This has been one of my biggest all time gripes with Microsoft. They put on blinders and ignore everything not invented at Microsoft (except when they steal Apple’s GUI, but that’s another entry). I’ve reproduced the common system partition types that Linux fdisk knows about. If Microsoft took this list and detected the top ten most common ones, they could solve this problem. If they decided to spend another couple hours implementing all of them, they would make installing Vista a breeze for those of us who know there is more than one Microsoft way. However, they won’t because why would Microsoft care if they overwrite your grub/lilo boot record? That just means you will only be using Windows, right? I think they forget that I am a customer too, and I don’t appreciate it when a product destroys my setup.
| 0 Empty | 1e Hidden W95 FAT1 | 75 PC/IX | be Solaris boot |
| 1 FAT12 | 24 NEC DOS | 80 Old Minix | bf Solaris |
| 2 XENIX root | 39 Plan 9 | 81 Minix / old Lin | c1 DRDOS/sec (FAT- |
| 3 XENIX usr | 3c PartitionMagic | 82 Linux swap | c4 DRDOS/sec (FAT- |
| 4 FAT16 <32M | 40 Venix 80286 | 83 Linux | c6 DRDOS/sec (FAT- |
| 5 Extended | 41 PPC PReP Boot | 84 OS/2 hidden C: | c7 Syrinx |
| 6 FAT16 | 42 SFS | 85 Linux extended | da Non-FS data |
| 7 HPFS/NTFS | 4d QNX4.x | 86 NTFS volume set | db CP/M / CTOS / . |
| 8 AIX | 4e QNX4.x 2nd part | 87 NTFS volume set | de Dell Utility |
| 9 AIX bootable | 4f QNX4.x 3rd part 8e | Linux LVM | df BootIt |
| a OS/2 Boot Manag | 50 OnTrack DM | 93 Amoeba | e1 DOS access |
| b W95 FAT32 | 51 OnTrack DM6 Aux | 94 Amoeba BBT | e3 DOS R/O |
| c W95 FAT32 (LBA) | 52 CP/M | 9f BSD/OS | e4 SpeedStor |
| e W95 FAT16 (LBA) | 53 OnTrack DM6 Aux | a0 IBM Thinkpad hi | eb BeOS fs |
| f W95 Ext’d (LBA) | 54 OnTrackDM6 | a5 FreeBSD | ee EFI GPT |
| 10 OPUS | 55 EZ-Drive | a6 OpenBSD | ef EFI (FAT-12/16/ |
| 11 Hidden FAT12 | 56 Golden Bow | a7 NeXTSTEP | f0 Linux/PA-RISC b |
| 12 Compaq diagnost | 5c Priam Edisk | a8 Darwin UFS | f1 SpeedStor |
| 14 Hidden FAT16 <3 | 61 SpeedStor | a9 NetBSD | f4 SpeedStor |
| 16 Hidden FAT16 | 63 GNU HURD or Sys | ab Darwin boot | f2 DOS secondary |
| 17 Hidden HPFS/NTF | 64 Novell Netware | b7 BSDI fs | fd Linux raid auto |
| 18 AST SmartSleep | 65 Novell Netware | b8 BSDI swap | fe LANstep |
| 1b Hidden W95 FAT3 | 70 DiskSecure Mult | bb Boot Wizard hid | ff BBT |
| 1c Hidden W95 FAT3 | |||
July 14th, 2006 at 1:41 pm
If you are a geek and can install, operate, administrate *N*X, why do you need Windoze in the first place?
Do you find something which can only be done in Windows?
July 20th, 2006 at 3:53 pm
Wow, that’s the exact same reflexion I did when I have seen Raymond’s blog entry.
I also wonder why Windows install would not have as first options:
1) Typical installation (recommended)
Any user should click here.
2) Advanced installation (for expert only)
Only click here if you perfectly know what you’re doing.
For administrators & very advanced users only!
Like that, with (1) there would be almost no option.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
This is also my number one gripe. I recently solved this problem by installing windows on a completely separate drive, physically disconnecting my linux drive. Then I just use a live cd to add an entry to grub for windows.
As for finding something that can only be done in windows, gaming comes to mind. Cedega is good but not perfect and the amount of finagling you have to do to get it to work with some, if not all, games makes it worth the relatively minor hassle of keeping windows from wiping your mbr. After all, it may be evil for windows to do what it does, but time is a non-renewable resource.